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Just how rare is breeding?????

I've had my two Blood parrots for a week now, I bought them from a lady and when removing ornaments from her tank we discovered hundreds of pink coloured eggs on a rock. For the journey home I kept the rock in a plastic back as I didn't think they would have survived. When I got back i put the rock back into their new home, they disposed of the eggs 2 days later, however the lady said she has had babies from these two before, I know it's rare but could they be a breeding pair and. If so when is it likely they will next lay? There tubes are out and have been digging. Any help muchly appreciated thanks.

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They lay as often as monthly. The fish may well have paired. The male is almost CERTAINLY sterile. Sucks huh?

It does indeed, the lady from who I got them said that she's had babies from them, somehow think this can't be true. Suppose there is always that tiny chance. The previous eggs were only laid last week and the fish already seem like they're about to lay again. Thanks for your your reply, any ideas on what I could try breeding with the female ?????

NO SEVERUMS!! Severums cannot cross with Blood Parrots or any other Central American Cichlid, and no they were not used to create them. Although you can use Red Devil to get fry from Parrots, they were also no used to create them. The parent species used to make Parrots is Midas Cichlids (Amphilophus Citrinellus) and Redhead Cichlid (Vieja Synspilum)

ANY male Central American Cichlid can cross with a female parrot and get fry. Some Flowerhorn (depending on the breed) won't be able to produce fry but almost all that you will find in a fish store can. I have bred them with Red Devils and Flowerhorn but both males would never fertilize the eggs because they were too young.

2 of my 4 female can lay eggs every 2 weeks because they are over a year old.

"The parent species used to make Parrots is Midas Cichlids (Amphilophus Citrinellus) and Redhead Cichlid (Vieja Synspilum)"

Chrisplosion, how is it that you know the parentage of the blood parrot cichlid when the rest of us may only speculate? You are the first person I've ever known to present this assertion as fact. Of the dozens of disertations I've read pertaining to BP origin, all have begun with the phrase "Its parentage is unknown".

Wikipedia, for but one example, provides this information: "The fish was first created in Taiwan in around 1986.[dead link][1] Its parentage is unknown, but the most commonly speculated pairings are midas cichlid (Amphilophus citrinellus) with the redhead cichlid (Cichlasoma synspilum), or the severum (Heros severus) with the red devil cichlid (Amphilophus labiatus)."

I would very much like to know how you've authenticated their origin, please. Thanks.


I think a big part of it is people don't know where to look for information, and what they do find is misinformation be it from speculation or things getting lost in translation. You have to venture outside of Wikipedia to find out about them, most of which is in a foreign language.

Well for starters Heros Severus, just like every South American Cichlid (aside from Cichlasoma Festae) is unable to hybridize outside its own genus. That means the only thing you can cross a Severum with is another Severum, so its impossible to get fry from a Red Devil and a Severum. Severums do not possess white eyes or a fan tail nor do Red Devil or Midas, these are traits that come from Vieja, specifically Synspilum. This artilcle has a lot of true information but its outdated and a few things have been lost in translation http://parrotcichlid.com/history Ask anyone in the cichlid community who know about cichlids and they will tell that its impossible to cross the two.

The Blood Parrots originated from Taiwan but was not the first fish to come, they were many breeds that came before it. Many people speculate that Severum is used because it has a similar body shape, but early parrots hard resembled something like this http://www.happybreed.com/en/images/kind/species03big.gif With more line breeding you got more compact body which is what where King Kong Parrots come in http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/3049/dscn2622.jpg and eventually you get Blood Parrots.

People also confuse Red Devil and Midas and some believe they are the same fish but clearly they are not. Red Devils do not produce a nuchal hump and Midas do which was a trait held by early parrots.

Bottom line, if you plan on breeding something its good to know what it is you are breeding with.

"You have to venture outside of Wikipedia to find out about them, most of which is in a foreign language"

I agree. I tried in vain to post several other sources last night along with the wiki article, but I got repeated "service unavailable" messages so I posted what I could. Thank you for the comprehensive answer to my question, which you provided without condescension or a defensive posture.

Speaking of misinformation

, cichlidresearch.com contends that "The exact origins of the fish are
unclear but it appears to be a cross between a South American cichlid, likely
the severum (Heros severus) and a Central American cichlid, likely the
midas cichlid (Amphilophus citrinellus) or the red devil (Amphilophus
labiatus
)"
 

You'd be doing the world a favor if you contacted them.

When I purchased my BPs, there was a tank of Midas right beside them, and I was certain I could see the resemblance.

http://parrotcichlid.com/history, as posted by ParrotCichlidGirl, had this confusing data:

Ancestors of Parrot Cichlids

Redheaded Cichlid
c
Red Devil


A while back, I found a fairly comprehensive article in Chinese on a breeder's site. I had it translated, and you can all read it here:

http://parrotcichlid.com/history

"The parent species used to make Parrots is Midas Cichlids (Amphilophus Citrinellus) and Redhead Cichlid (Vieja Synspilum)"

Chrisplosion, how is it that you know the parentage of the blood parrot cichlid when the rest of us may only speculate? You are the first person I've ever known to present this assertion as fact. Of the dozens of dissertations I've read pertaining to BP origin, all have begun with the phrase "Its parentage is unknown".

Wikipedia, for but one example, provides this information: "The fish was first created in Taiwan in around 1986.[dead link][1] Its parentage is unknown, but the most commonly speculated pairings are midas cichlid (Amphilophus citrinellus) with the redhead cichlid (Cichlasoma synspilum), or the severum (Heros severus) with the red devil cichlid (Amphilophus labiatus)."

I would very much like to know how you've authenticated their origin, please. Thanks.


So if I do a severum with a parrot they will not make babies? Because I don't want them too..

hi thanks for your info, just posted a pic of the fish, if you could help determine what they are it would be great :) :)

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